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The Rachel Maddow Show 4/6/18 Key figure in Russia's NRA outreach ploy added to sanctions list Tim ****inson, contributing editor for Rolling Stone, talks with Rachel Maddow about the inclusion of Alexander Torshin on the new list of sanctioned Russians and Russian efforts to use the NRA as a conduit to influencing U.S. politics. Duration: 11:20
Posted By: Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 5:57AM
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Alexander Torshin is the State Secretary – Deputy Governor of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Torshin is being designated pursuant to E.O. 13661 for being an official of the Government of the Russian Federation.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-relea...
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 9:02AM
Steve Williams
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"We're looking through a glass darkly."
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 9:14AM
Steve Williams
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Hey Steve, that video must have hit a nerve, didn't it?
The NRA has 5 million members. We work with The United States. There are no more people. They are more alike than Americans in Russia. We’re hunters, we’re shooters, we vale the same things and we need to work together. NO PEOPLE ARE MORE ALIKE THAN THE AMERICANS AND RUSSIANS.
WOW!!! I did not know this. Who is this man anyway? Is he speaking with the authority of THE NRA?
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 6:48PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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His name is Keene. The only reason the NRA needed to support Trump was the criminal known as Hillary. Torshin joined as a life member, just like me. I'm glad he did. All the rest of this nonsense about Russian influence amounts to a hill of beans. Maybe you should find out why Torshin was designated.
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 7:03PM
Steve Williams
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Now i' am finding out that $30 Million was the amount of money The National Rifle Association spent backing Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign – “Triple what the group spent on Publican Mitt Romney four years earlier.
Now that is a power reminder to the president, who is THE NRA!
I see now, why Trump changed his tone after meeting with THE NRA.
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 7:08PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What's any of that got to do with why Torshin was designated?
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 7:11PM
Steve Williams
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We need to work together. No people are more alike than The Americans and Russians.
I don't think so. Hey Steve, could I be wrong.
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 7:44PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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David Keene is his name. David A. Keene is an American political consultant, former Presidential advisor, and newspaper editor, formerly the Opinion Editor of The Washington Times. Keene was the president of the National Rifle Association for the traditional two one-year terms from 2011 to 2013. From 1984 to 2011, he was the chairman of the American Conservative Union.
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 7:58PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I have a great feeling of kinship with the Russian people. Now why was Alexander Torshin designated?
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 9:40PM
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I know because they are being LIED to as well. Steve, did you know that the Russian people have no gun rights or a gun association in Russia?
David A. Keene president of the National Rifle Association took the Russian bait to sale out the members of The NRA or was it his intended to benefit The NRA, some how.
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 10:13PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I applaud Keene's support of the Russian people.
Saturday, April 7th 2018 at 11:36PM
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Summary
While self-defense and protection of property is a constitutional right guaranteed to Russian citizens, Russian legislation on gun control is relatively strict, limiting the circulation of firearms to Russian citizens older than eighteen years of age with a registered permanent residence, and for the purposes of self-defense, hunting, and sports activities only. The acquisition of guns is based on licenses provided for a five-year period by local police departments at one’s place of residence after a thorough background check, including a review of the petitioner’s ability to store guns safely and an evaluation of his/her medical records. Mentally ill people and those who have been treated for substance abuse are not allowed to possess firearms.
Major issues related to gun control are regulated by the Federal Law on Weapons and implementing regulations issued by the federal government and varied executive agencies. Legislative assemblies of the Russian Federation constituent components can enact provincial laws related to the circulation of firearms so long as they do not contradict federal legislation. Individuals are allowed to have up to ten long-barreled guns in their possession, and more if they are collectibles. Individuals are not allowed to carry guns acquired for self-defense; a license only serves as a carrying permit for hunting and sport firearms when these guns need to be transported. Russian citizens may not own guns that shoot in bursts or have magazines with more than a ten-cartridge capacity. The legalization of short-barreled handguns is currently being discussed by the legislature.
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-cont...
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 12:03AM
Steve Williams
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Well I be. This got to be the first real committed, soiled, heartfelt thing you have said, in a long time, WoW!!!
YOUR WORDS STEVE: I applaud Keene's support of the Russian people.
You applaud the president of the National Rifle Association David A. Keene talking to an imaginary group of Russians with gun rights because no such Russians have gun rights or no gun association anywhere in Russia.
If you think I am wrong, refute it Steve.
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 12:04AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I just did refute it Ron.
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 12:13AM
Steve Williams
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Show us the Russian equivalent to the NRA? What is funny about that is, Putin don't support that concept at all.
What you are calling a refute is just Gun laws legislation in Russia, that is all
You have refuted nothing Steve. Show us the Russian equivalent to the NRA? That is what you are I applaud Keene's support of the Russian people for.
We have THE NRA, What dose the Russians have as a equivalent, you will not find it because it don't exist when David A. Keene president of the National Rifle Association took the Russian bait and their is no Russian equivalent to our NRA in Russia now.
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 10:31AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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It is only right for the Russia's to protect themselves from illegal weapons. many of those laws in Russia would be rejected by The NRA here in this country.
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 10:37AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Gun Rights for the Russian people!
03/24/2014 - Maria Butina, Chairwoman of the Russian organization for the right to keep and bear arms talks to ALL4SHOOTERS.COM about gun rights in Russia at the 2014 plenary session of the World Forum on Shooting Activities
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/mobile/Sho...
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 7:49PM
Steve Williams
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I asked you this question earlier today with no reply from you. " Show us the Russian equivalent to the NRA?" You failed to produce such evidence because it does not exist. So now you are running all over the place with these
This is Russian Law on Guns
Acquisition and Possession of Firearms
Russian citizens have the right to acquire and possess weapons according to rules established by legislation. These rules allow citizens of the Russian Federation who are eighteen years of age and older to apply for a license that would allow an individual to possess weapons of a specific type as stated in the license.
Individuals who acquire weapons for the first time are required to attend six and a half hours of classes on the safe handling of guns offered by organizations designated by the government of the Russian Federation and to pass federal tests on knowledge of safety rules. A license for weapons acquisition is required in order to accept guns as a gift or inheritance. Tests must be retaken and passed when an individual applies for license renewal.
The following documents must be submitted to a local police department, together with the application for a gun license:
Statement that an individual has no medical contraindications for possession of guns
Statements issued by boards monitoring psychiatric and substance abuse services within the administrative area where an applicant permanently resides that the applicant was not treated for mental illnesses or drug abuse
Proof of Russian citizenship
Two photographs
Statement from a territorial police officer that weapons can be safely kept at the applicant’s residence
Hunter’s card
License fee
Proof of no less than five-year possession of smooth-bore barrel guns if applying for a license to purchase rifled-bore barreled guns.
Applications are reviewed within one month; the applicant then has six months to purchase guns before the expiration of the license. Licenses are not issued to those who cannot guarantee secure storage of weapons, have a court record that has not expired, or have committed at least two minor violations of public order within a one-year period. Individuals without permanent residency in a specific location cannot acquire guns.
A list of diseases preventing an individual from having weapons has been established by the federal government[36] and includes the following:
Chronic and long-lasting psychiatric diseases with severe or continuing forms of relapses
Addictions to alcohol, narcotics, or other toxic substances
Vision problems of -5 or worse in one eye when another eye is worse than -2, or -7 in one eye if the person is blind in the other eye
Absence of a thumb and index finger, or three fingers on one of the hands
The State Duma of the Russian Federation is currently debating a proposal to introduce a measures that would impose criminal responsibility on physicians for issuing false statements about the medical conditions of those who apply for a gun license.
]Now many of these Laws the NRA will fight not to have these laws implemented here in U.S.
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 7:51PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Rachel's LIE was not about "the Russian equivalent to the NRA". She said the Russian organization Right to Bear Arms is FAKE.
Russian group Right to Arms wants more liberal gun laws in Russia
BY KEN HANLY
FEB 21, 2014
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/politic...
Sunday, April 8th 2018 at 10:00PM
Steve Williams
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I asked you this question earlier today with no reply from you. " Show us the Russian equivalent to the NRA?" You failed to produce such evidence because it does not exist.
Now this last link to a speech of Wayne LaPierre who has been the Executive Vice-President for many, many, many years has a video, talking of gun rights here in The U.S. and nothing mentioned about Gun organizations in Russia. Where is that information? Does it exist? I have not seen it yet.
Steve, please stop That Bull 💩 now because this link is not addressing this topic at all. This is just more of your LIES to cover-up the truth
Steve, if you think that I am wrong, then you point to the time stamp where Wayne LaPierre is talking about Gun rights in Russia.
Refute my claim. Russian efforts to use the NRA as a conduit to influencing U.S. politics.
If you can't prove that Wayne LaPierre is talking about gun right in Russia, be a man and admit you was WRONG and you see the error of your ways.,
Monday, April 9th 2018 at 10:23AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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It's you Ron that's not addressing the topic at all. You've spun this ridiculous story that Torshin created a fake gun rights group in Russia in 2011, so he could infiltrate the NRA from 2011-2015, so he could funnel money to the NRA in 2015 and 2016, so the NRA could run ads against the GUN GRABBING candidate Hillary Clinton. How stupid can you possibly be?
Monday, April 9th 2018 at 10:31AM
Steve Williams
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Foolish one, I have spun nothing. This is a news report of current events Steve. By the way those links are from 2014, remember I asked you this question earlier today with no reply from you. " Show us the Russian equivalent to the NRA?" You failed to produce such evidence because it does not exist. So now you are running all over the place with these out side of the blog report.
This is the tricks of the heathen and that is to create confusion, misunderstanding, To muddle and to deceive the truth with every step you take and any breathe you took concerning this topic of Key figure in Russia's NRA outreach ploy added to sanctions list.
Did David Keene go to Russia as a representative of The NRA?
Did David Keene not say this: "The NRA has 5 million members. We work with The United States. There are no more people. They are more alike than Americans in Russia. We’re hunters, we’re shooters, we vale the same things and we need to work together. NO PEOPLE ARE MORE ALIKE THAN THE AMERICANS AND RUSSIANS?"
Your works: I have a great feeling of kinship with the Russian people. Who knows, you could be Russia too!!!!
Monday, April 9th 2018 at 11:31PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Hey Ron, let me know when Rachel finds her funneled money.
Monday, April 9th 2018 at 11:49PM
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